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LT  Kenneth I. MENZIE

UNIT: 350th BOMB Sqdn POSITION: CP/P

Kenneth Ivan Menzie - 350th Pilot.    (100th Photo Archives)

 Lt. Kenneth Menzie (CP) on the original Albert Amiero Crew (100th Photo Archives) 

SERIAL #: STATUS: CPT
MACR:

Comments1: TRANSFERRED TO 482ND BG (PATHFINDERS) 7 OCT 43

COMMENTS & NOTES

MEMO 1:

CREW

LT KENNETH IVAN MENZIE (original Co-Pilot on Lt Amiero Crew)

350TH SQDN.. ACCORDING TO "THEY NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD" PAGE 75; MENZIE JOINED THE 1OOTH AS A REPLACEMENT PILOT WITHOUT A CREW IN JULY 1943. (this we have determined to be false, Lt Menzie came to the 100th BG as part of Lt Amiero's original Crew…mpf 2005)  THIS, IN IT'S SELF IS UNUSUAL.  SAME SOURCE, "THEY NEVER HAD IT SO GOOD" PAGE 81; DESCRIBING ACTION ABOARD A B-17 FLOWN ON THE 17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG MISSION SAYS, "BULLETS WERE EVERYWHERE, SOME PASSED CLOSE TO LT MENZIE'S POSITION WHERE HE STOOPED, FIRING WITHOUT PAUSE."  (that action took place in the nose section  on Phartzac.  On that day, Major Gale "Buck Cleven rode in the Left seat, Capt. Scott in the Right, and Maj Cleven moved the CP that day, Lt Menzie down into the nose of the plane where he manned one of the 50 cal, cheek guns.  This was confirmed by Gale Cleven in a telephone conversation in Dec 2005.  

HE WAS ON THE SCOTT/ CLEVEN AIRCRAFT FOR THE REGENSBURG MISSION.

CREW

1ST LT NORMAN H. SCOTT      P NOC
2ND LT KENNETH O. BLAIR     CP CPT
1ST LT DONALD L. STROUT   NAV NOC
1ST LT NORRIS G. NORMAN    BOM CPT 18 MAR 44 LANDSBURG
T/SGT JAMES E. PARKS         TTE CPT 18 MAR 44 LANDSBURG
T/SGT NORMAN M. SMITH      ROG KIA 17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
S/SGT LEWIS D. MILLER          BTG CPT
S/SGT BLAZIER PADDY             TG CPT 18 MAR 44 LANDSBURG
PVT BRITTON I. SMITH            WG CPT 18 MAR 44 LANDSBURG
CPL JEROME E. FERROGGIARO   WG POW 8 OCT 43 BREMEN

350TH SQDN.. THIS WAS AN ORIGINAL 100TH CREW.   CREW FLEW A/C "Phartzac" 42-30358.  Original Co-Pilot was a 2nd Lt Teddy Dudziak 0-793067 Army Air Corps Pilot 11-1-42.  HE WAS TRANSFERRED TO B-24 GROUP AND HAD HIS OWN CREW.  ORGANIZATION: 8th AIR FORCE VIII COMMAND 14th WING 392nd Bombardment (H) GROUP 578th Bomb Sq (H) SQUADRON 118 STATION MISSING IN ACTION *November 19, 1943*  

A/C "Phartzac" 42-30358

Refer to the following books for information on this crew and the circumstances surrounding the Regensburg mission.
Double Strike by Ed Jablonski, Century Bombers by LeStrange, Lt. Col. Beirne Lay Jr. mission critique, Interview with Jerome Ferroggiaro by Michael Faley (Jan 1999) 

On 7/10/43 Special Orders #21 (Hdq. 3rd Bomber Division) the following crew was 
transferred from the 100th Bomb. Gp To the 482nd Bomb.Gp for Pathfinder training.
Crew departed Thorpe Abbotts on 10/10/43 for Alconbury to join the 482 Bomb Group (Pathfinders)

   1st Lt Kenneth I.Menzie   P 
* 2nd Lt Kenneth O. Blair CP
   2nd Lt Vanden J.Willey NAV
* Capt Norris G.Norman  BOM 
  Sgt Jerry (nmi)Korman
* T/Sgt James E.Parks  TTE
* Sgt Blazier Paddy  TG
* Sgt Lewis D.Miller  BTG
  Sgt Gordon D.Griffith
* Sgt Britton I.Smith  WG

Those with Asterisks are members of the original crew of Norman H.Scott. According to Norris Norman,these men all CPT with the Pathfinders. 
Scott and Strout were transferred to Bovingdon, to indoctrinate replacement crews.


MISSION LIST OF 1ST LT KENNETH I. MENZIE ( from mission log of Capt. Norris Norman)

 04/10/43  Hanau, Germany (first mission with Lt Menzie as pilot)
 13/11/43 PPF Bremen, Germany  Lead Pilot, Col Harding Command Pilot,  Flew with 100th Bomb Group in PFF  3492
 01/12/43 PPF Solingen, Germany
 13/12/43 PPF Kiel, Germany
 16/12/43 PPF Bremen, Germany
 11/01/44 PPF Brunswick, Germany
 24/01/44 PPF  Aachen, Germany
 28/01/44 PPF Frankfurt, Germany
 04/02/44 PPF Frankfurt, Germany
 08/02/44 PPF Frankfurt, Germany
 09/02/44 PPF Brunswick, Germany
 20/02/44 PPF Leipzig-Lockau Germany
 24/02/44 PPF Rostock, Germany
 11/03/44 PPF Munster, Germany
 15/03/44 PPF Brunswick, Germany
 18/03/44 PPF Landsburg, Germany

Subj: Kenneth I. Menzie  
Date: 2/6/2002 9:14:09 PM Pacific Standard Time 
From: hannah12@worldnet.att.net 
To: MPFaley@aol.com 
Sent from the Internet (Details) 
 
 Dear Mr. Faley,

My son, Mark Menzie, sent me copies of several messages in regard to the
E-Mails between the two of you a few days ago.

Ken died September 26, l996 at the age of 8l.  We were not married at the
time when he served overseas but much was discussed during the early years
of our marriage but then never really much in later years of which I am
sorry as what I remember after 51 years of marriage is really not a lot.

I do not know when he went into the l00th Bomb Group (the Bloody Hundredth),
I do not know how long he was with this group before his transfer to the
Pathfinder Group, he was in the original group chosen for this new venture,
I do remember that, I am sure that he said he completed 25 missions so some
of this must have been in the l00th.  During one of his missions I think
that they had to land someplace in Africa because of damage to their plane
but I think that was in the Pathfinder Group, if there is someone who was on
his crew I would like to hear from him.

For additional information, Ken served 20 years in the Air Force and retired
as a Lt. Colonel.  He was in the Strategic Air Command with the 509th Bomb
Wing for most of those stateside years, he flew of course in addition to the
B-l7, B-29, B-50 and the B-47.

You asked for a picture, you have one, I brought it up on one of your web
sites.

Thank you for helping my son.

Sincerely,     Audrey Menzie


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CREW:

1st Lt Albert F.Amiero                      P KIA    6 MAR 44   BERLIN         (this with a pick up crew, see note below)
1st Lt Kenneth I.Menzie                  CP XFR   7 OCT 43  ALCONBURY  (transferred to 482nd BG, Pathfinders, see note below)
                                                                                                    (on Aug 17, 1943 Capt. Norman Scott Crew, see note below)
2ND Lt Lloyd A. Hammarlund         BOM INT   17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG (flying with Lt Oakes Crew in High Life, see note below)
2nd Lt W.C. Abbey                      NAV CPT             ?                       (Transferred to 418th BS)
T/Sgt Russell G.Gilbert                  TTE KIA    6 MAR 44  BERLIN         (Flew with Lt Amiero "pick up" Crew,  see note below)
S/Sgt Earl Griggs                          BTG KIA    3 SEPT43  PARIS          (Flew as BTG with Lt Floyd Crew, see note below)
S/Sgt  Joe Raff                            LWG CPT  30 JAN 44  BRUNSWICK  (Flew with Capt Moede Crew, see note below)
S/SGT James W. Gregg                RWG POW  3 MAR 44  BERLIN         (Flew with Lt Gossage pick up Crew, see note below)
S/SGT Richard A. Tangradi               TG POW  4 FEB  44  FRANKFURT  (Flew with Lt John Brown Crew, see note below)
SGT    Jerry Korman                      ROG XFR    7 OCT 43  ALCONBURY  (transferred to 482nd BG, Pathfinders, see note below)

349th BS. Joined the 100th BG in July 1943. 

Our crew was assembled in Casper Wyoming Jan. 1943, from there we went to Lowrey Field in March 1943, on to Boise Idaho in May 1943 for advanced bombing and gunnery incidently we met the actor Jimmy Stewart who also was in training.  From Boise we went to Kearney Neb. To pick up our big bird, what a beautiful plane!  I say this because when we got to ta (Thorpe Abbotts) we were shocked to see what we had to fly in, a once proud lady was now a dirty smelly hulk! From Kearney we flew to Bangor Maine, we laid over in Bangor for a few days then we flew to Iceland.  We knew then were we were going,  we then flew to Prestwick Scotland, very pretty girls.

Now it gets interesting after we got to ta and settled in,  the enlisted men of our crew were sent to a place on the English coast. It was a camp for advanced air to air gunnery; it was run by a tiger by the name of Capt Cohen.  I'll never forget it when we went for our first briefing Capt Cohen walked in and said "good mourning gentlemen forget all they taught you about gunnery in the United States" gulp! We were there for about a week and he was right "shoot em and kill em". I also found out you can get hurt in this war  we went back to ta and found out the crew had been busted up. After awhile thru the grape vine and other resources we found why.

Lt. Amiero had a medical problem that took him off flying status for a while.  We never saw the four officers again! Lt. Amiero was probably stuck in some office job, one was sent to the 351st Sqdn (Lt Hammarlund) one was sent to the 418th Sqdn (Lt Abbey)  Lt Menzie was transferred to a pathfinder outfit (482nd BG) I believe he was the copilot… S/Sgt Richard Tangradi, TG Dec 8, 2005

Sgt J. Raff flying with Capt.Moede crew completed his 25th mission 30-1-44.  From what heard Joe transferred to a B-26 Marauder outfit and did 25 more, the danm nuttttt….rich

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LT AMIERO and S/SGT GILBERT NOTE:

CREW

1st Lt Albert F.Amiero          P   KIA   6/3/44  BERLIN
F/O Howard L.Kilmer       CP  KIA   6/3/44  BERLIN
2nd Lt Albert P.Rule       NAV  KIA   6/3/44  BERLIN (from Lt. Leon Morgan Crew)
S/Sgt Thomas S.Elliott   TOG  KIA   6/3/44  BERLIN
T/Sgt John J.Kovacs      ROG  KIA   6/3/44  BERLIN (original 100th air echelon)
T/Sgt Russell G.Gilbert    TTE  KIA   6/3/44  BERLIN (from original Lt Amiero Crew)
S/Sgt Virgil F.Summers   BTG  KIA   6/3/44  BERLIN (from Lt Ford Crew)
S/Sgt Hobart H.Spires    WG  KIA     6/3/44  BERLIN (from original Sammy Barr Crew)
S/Sgt Owen D.Stockton  WG  POW  6/3/44  BERLIN (from Lt J.W. Brown Crew)
S/Sgt Thomas D.Baer               TG  KIA   6/3/44  BERLIN (from Lt Victor Reed Crew)
349th Sqdn.   See MACR #3019 (Micro fiche #1021).  Flying A/C #42 31731 on 6/3/44

This appears to be a "pick up" crew. Kilmer joined the 100th on 26/2/44 as an individual. Baer was from the original crew of Lt V.Reed. Kovacs was a "spare" on original 100th Air echelon. Stockton was from the crew of J.W.Brown. Hobart Spires (flying his 24th mission) was from the original crew of Sam L. Barr.
S/Sgt Virgil Summers was from the original Crew of Lt Ford. 2nd Lt A.P.Rule on original crew of Leon R.Morgan.
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1st Lt KENNETH I. MENZIE AND SGT JERRY KORMAN NOTE:

Note on Menzie: was with 350th at the time of transfer. On 7/10/43 Special Orders #21 (Hdq. 3rd Bomber Division) the following crew was transferred from the 100th Bomb. Gp to the 482nd Bomb.Gp for Pathfinder training. Crew departed Thorpe Abbotts on 10/10/43 for Alconbury to join the 482 Bomb Group (Pathfinders)

1st Lt Kenneth I.Menzie   P (on Aug 17, 1943, copilot on Capt. Norman Scott Crew, manned gun in the nose)
* 2nd Lt Kenneth O. Blair  CP
2nd Lt Vanden J.Willey NAV
* Capt Norris G.Norman  BOM
Sgt Jerry (nmi)Korman ROG
* T/Sgt James E.Parks  TTE
* Sgt Blazier Paddy       TG
* Sgt Lewis D.Miller      BTG
Sgt Gordon D.Griffith  WG
* Sgt Britton I.Smith    WG

Those with Asterisks are members of the original crew of Norman H.Scott. According to Norris Norman,these men all CPT with the Pathfinders.  Scott and Strout were transferred to Bovingdon, to indoctrinate replacement crews.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
2ND LT LLOYD A. HAMMARLUND NOTE:

CREW
1ST LT DONALD K. OAKES
ORGINAL 100TH PILOT, 351st BS

CREW #19  A/C #42-30080  "HIGH LIFE"

1ST LT  DONALD K. OAKES                   P: INT  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
F/O     JOSEPH C. HARPER                   CP: INT  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
2ND LT  HIRAM E. HARRIS, JR.           NAV: INT  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
2ND LT  HOWARD G. BALL                BOM: POW  3 MAR 44 BERLIN
T/SGT   GEORGE W. ELDER               TTE: INT  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
S/SGT   NOLAN D. STEVENS              WG: INT  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
T/SGT   JAMES P. SCOTT                 ROG: INT  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
S/SGT   LESLIE D. NADEAU               BTG: INT  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
S/SGT   LEONARD P. GOYER              WG: INT  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
CPL     VINCENT E. McGRATH              TG: INT  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG

HOWARD BALL'S PLACE ON CREW #19 WAS TAKEN BY 2ND LT LLOYD A. HAMMARLUND (from Lt Amiero original crew) WHO WAS INTERNED WITH THE OTHERS.

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
S/SGT EARL GRIGGS NOTE:

CREW #23
351st  BS
Mission: Paris (Beaumont AF)
M.A.C.R.#685
Date: 3 Sept.1943
Aircraft #42-30059 "BARKER'S BURDENS"
Time: 0920
A/C last seen: Over Beaumont Airdrome at Evreux,France

CREW ABOARD:
Charles W.Floyd,Jr.    2nd Lt P KIA
Jack C.Boyd             2nd Lt    CP KIA
Robert M.Rosenberg 2nd Lt NAV POW
Frank C.Coon           2nd Lt BOM POW
Theodore W.Price     T/Sgt ROG  KIA
John M.Neal              S/Sgt TTE KIA
Earl Griggs                 S/Sgt BTG KIA    (Replacement)
Dale P.Huffer            Sgt RWG  KIA (Replacement)
Peter J.Theodore      1st Lt LWG KIA   (Gunnery Officer)
John K.Williams          S/Sgt TG KIA

The following is from a conversation between Cowboy Roane and Paul West in 1991…Cowboy's remarks are from notes:

"I was with them at Paris and saw King's plane hit amidships by flak. It pitched up in and extreme nose high attitude and struck the tail section of Alvin's (Barker) plane. It seemed like slow motion, or maybe that is just my memory but they seemed to hang there for a time and then Richard (King) went straight down and Alvin (Barker) just exploded then and there. It was and still is a sad day for me, I had been Richard's (King) co-pilot in the states, the entire crew were my close friends. I also knew Alvin (Barker) from back in the states where we were squadron mates as well." 

Crash Information: FROM LT KING CASUALTY REPORT
The third aircraft to be involved in a massive mid-air collision in the Paris, France area. A salvoed bomb (from the high group) hit the No# 3 engine of aircraft 42-30059 piloted by 1/Lt Charles Floyd, which collided with aircraft 42-5865 piloted by Lt Victor Fienup, resulting in loss of control. The aircraft piloted by Lt. Richard King received a diredt falk burst amidships and sudden moved upward striking aircraft piloted by Lt Charles Floyd, this aircraft exploded.

When Al Barker, regular pilot of this crew, was made Squadron Operations officer, Charles Floyd moved from the co-pilots to the pilots seat and Jack Boyd, who had flown overseas with the 100th unassigned to a crew, became the new co-pilot.

Earl Griggs and Dale Huffer were flying in place of regular crewmen, Willis Stroud and Robyn Fulton, while Lt. Peter Theodore flew this mission in place of Edwin Morgan.
____________________________________________________________________________________
S/SGT JOE RAFF NOTE:

Bruce E.Alshouse of the J.G.Gossage crew writes (1986) that after the Gossage crew loss on 24/9/43, He, Theodore Don, and Mike Gillen (Bom & ROG) were assigned to the crew Of Capt. Donald H. Moede. Also on the Moede crew:

Capt. Donald H. Moede     P
2nd Lt Theodore Don    BOM (originally with the JG Gossage Crew)
M/Sgt. Art Gibbon          NAV
T/Sgt. Mike Gillen           ROG (originally with the JG Gossage Crew)
Sgt  Joe Raff                  WG (originally with Lt Amiero Crew, CPT on 30 JAN 44 Brunswick)
Sgt  Don Sackrider          WG (he was wlth J.G.Gossage on 3/3/44 and became a POW)
Sgt Richard Pearson       BTG
Sgt Bruce E. Alshouse      TG (originally with the JG Gossage Crew)

The CP was usually a replacement; Moede flew "The Laden Maiden" after Owen "Cowboy" Roane had flow her for 13 missions..jb

Sgt Joe Raff - FLEW 3 SEPT 43 PARIS MISSION WITH LT HENRY HENINGTON.
____________________________________________________________________________________
S/SGT JAMES W. GREGG NOTE:

CREW

1ST LT JOHN G. GOSSAGE                   P         POW     3 MAR 44 BERLIN (LNDED IN DENMARK)
2ND LT BERTRAND D. McNEILL            CP       POW     3 MAR 44 BERLIN (LNDED IN DENMARK)
F/O EDWARD A. WARNER        NAV POW 3 MAR 44 BERLIN (LNDED IN DENMARK)
1ST LT HOWARD G. BALL         BOM POW 3 MAR 44 BERLIN (LNDED IN DENMARK)
T/SGT MICHAEL G. POLANICK      ROG POW 3 MAR 44 BERLIN (LNDED IN DENMARK)
T/SGT ARTHUR A. COOPER       TTE POW 3 MAR 44 BERLIN (LNDED IN DENMARK)
S/SGT THOMAS R. WOODERSON  BTG POW 3 MAR 44 BERLIN (LNDED IN DENMARK)
S/SGT JAMES W. GREGG          RWG POW 3 MAR 44 BERLIN (LNDED IN DENMARK)
S/SGT DONALD B. SACKRIDER      LWG POW 3 MAR 44 BERLIN (LNDED IN DENMARK)
S/SGT ARTHUR V.R. CONGROVE      TG POW 3 MAR 44 BERLIN (LNDED IN DENMARK)

MACR #3025,
Microfiche #1023
A/C #42-38017
349th Sqdn..
Lt Howard Ball was from the "Original” crew of Lt Donald Oakes and was wounded on 10 Jul 1943 Le Bourget mission. He had been hospitalized for a considerable period. On 3 Mar 44 this crew was flying in the #2 position of the lead element to the lead squadron. There was a tremendous cloud build up and as the lead element entered the cloud some following ships believed they saw an explosion as if a collision had occurred. Later VHF was heard from Gossage saying he intended to try for Sweden. Actually, he landed the plane on a Schlewig airfield (Denmark) thinking he was in Sweden. This probably gave the Germans their first intact B-17 which they later operated.

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S/SGT RICHARD A. TANGRADI NOTE:

Rich Tangradi 
349th, TAILGUNNER 
HORNY 1&2 & LADEN MAIDEN
POPB17TAN@aol.com
mr faley have many pics and stories of 349th came to thorpes abbotts july 43 as crewmember of lt al amiera (lt amiero) check spelling its along story why crew was dismantled. I  became spare gunner flew many missions lt hennington,  flew 25thmission to paris with the '' cowboy''  his 25th I mean trying to get all this stuff together ill close now keep in touch    rich tangradi (message board 100th bg)


Mr. faley got your message thanks  as best I can I will start from the beginning all dates are aprox. Our crew was assembled in casper wyoming jan. 1943,  from there we went to lowrey field in march on to boise idaho in may for advanced bombing and gunnery  incidently we met the actor jimmy stewert who also was in training, from boise we went to kearney neb. To pick up our big bird what a beautifull plane I say this because when we got to ta (thorpe abbotts)  we were shocked to see what we had to fly in, a once proud lady was now a dirty smelly hulk! From kearney we flew to bangor maine which was at the time the vd capitol of the states keep this statement in mind  we laid over in bangor for a few days we flew to iceland we knew then were we were going we then flew to prestwick scotland  very pretty girls.

Now it gets interesting after we got to ta and settled in the enlisted men of our crew were sent to a place on the english coast. It was a camp for advanced air to air gunnery, it was run by a tiger by the name of capt cohen ill never forget it when we went for our first briefing  capt cohen walked in and said "good mourning gentleman forget all they taught you about gunnery in the united states" gulp! We were there for about a week and he was right "shoot em and kill em".  I also found out you can get hurt in this war  we went back to ta and found out the crew had been busted  after awhile thru the grape vine and other resourses we found why.  Mr. faley it was hard to believe what we heard,  im having a hard time with this after all these years  my wife tells me if you can convince her why you need this information she will agree with me  convince her mrfaley ill wait for your answer… Rich Tangradi, TG on first Amiero Crew dec 7, 2005

We never saw the four officers again  lt. amiero was probably stuck in some office job , one was sent to the 351 sqdn one was sent to the 418 sqdn  lt menzie was transferred to a pathfinder outfit I believe he was the navigator (CP..mpf)  true all true  mike    I have shots of these men in uniform  if you have a copy of contrails my war record  I can give you there names and page number there on,  how can I get these pictures to you the same with the enlisted men there all in contrails .
I have there names and sqdns there in.  When we get this squared away mike ill tell you about other crews and missions I was on    before I sign off I must tell you that my son and his wife bought me this pc this past june for my 81st birthday  im learning but its tough tough tough  bye…Richard Tangradi, TG  dec 8, 2005

Mike, here is a list of the crew.
 
Pilot - Lt. Al Amiero -  Page 172, Row 2, No. 7
Co-Pilot - Lt. Menzie - No photo
Bom. ? - Lt. L. Hammerlund - Page 206, Row 6, No. 4
Nav. ? - Lt. W. Abbey - Page 218, Row 1, No. 1  (not sure)

TTE/G - T/Sgt. R. Gilbert - Page 175, Row 4, No. 3
RO/G - S/Sgt. E. Griggs - Page 206, Row 4, No. 8
W/G - S/Sgt. J. Raff - Page 180, Row  3, No. 1
W/G - Sgt. J. Gregg  - Page 175, Row 6, No. 7
BT/G - T/Sgt. G. Holton - [Not sure - either with this crew or Hennington, either BT/G or TTE/G) -  Page 176,  Row 4, No. 8
T/G - S/Sgt. R. Tangradi - Page 181, Row 7, No. 7
 
I am not a member of the 100th Bomb Group Foundation.  
 
The crew members photos are 2x3 and other photos are 4 x 5…….Rich Tangradi….TG on Amiero Crew (Dec 10, 2005

Mike a little confused here on last report you sent me sgt j. raff flying with capt.moede crew was shot down and captured  going thru pictures to send to you soon came across shot of joe being congratulated on completion of his 25th mission  bottom of shot are letters  gpr-98-2-100-30-1-44 -j.l.raff -25 missions.  From what heard joe transferred to B-26 maurder outfit and did 25 more  the damn nuttttt  am I right mike….   Rich tangradi TG on original Amiero Crew

mike,
 on my last message to you I meant to say I  would get back to you after xmass day have a little more to do on my missions and stories I came across something very interesting about our missing bt/g . On 12/11/05 you listed lt.menzie crew  I stopped at sgt. Jerry korman's name a bell went off  I know this guy I flew with him in the states im not sure mike but if I flew with korman it means he was a menber of lt. amiero's crew! He's not listed as a ro/g on menzies crew. Lets go back to same date s/sgt.earl griggs on org. crew of lt.amiero griggs flew bt/g on lt. floyd's crew kia as bt/g  lets go back to our training in the states. All gunners where classified like t/g was bombers armorer w/g was asst. armorer I think this was j.raff  tte/g took care turrets and sigths bt/g asst.engineer same job ro/g could be korman! w/g j.gregg asst. ro/g   mike I can't recall any turret gunner taking over ro/g position  don't forget theywere trained as radio/operaters  I don't think were looking for a bt/g mike!!!!!  One thougt I'll leave you with if I was lt. menzie and was told to get a crew together woud'nt you pick a guy from your original crew !!!??- I HOPE THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU MIKE     A POOPED OUT  RICH TANGRADI


CREW
2ND LT JOHN W.BROWN                    P EVADEE 4 FEB 44 FRANKFURT
2ND LT ALBERT F. FITZPATRICK          CP POW    4 FEB 44 FRANKFURT
2ND LT THEODORE H. KLEINMAN      NAV EVADEE  4 FEB 44 FRANKFURT
2ND LT LAWSON W. CLEMENTS        BOM POW    4 FEB 44 FRANKFURT
 S/SGT CHARLES R. AMBRUST            WG NOC
 S/SGT RICHARD F. BRADY              ROG NOC
 S/SGT LAWRENCE M. PRATT            TTE NOC
    SGT MILTON GRABEL                     TG KIA        25 MAY 44 BERLIN
    SGT GORDON F. KEON                BTG POW     4 FEB 44 FRANKFURT
   SGT  OWEN D. STOCKTON            WG POW     6 MAR 44 BERLIN

349th Sqdn. Crew joined the 100th Gp on 28 Nov 1943.. Sgt Gordon Keon was the only enlisted man of this crew to particiapte in the Frankfurt mission of 4 FEB 44.  Other aboard for this mission and their fate is a follows:

 S/SGT GEORGE E. TOOMEY  ROG POW  (FROM C.I. MONTGOMERY CREW)
 S/SGT LOLA D. FLORIDA       TTE POW  (FROM C.I. MONTGOMERY CREW)
 S/SGT WILLIAM F. KEMP        WG KIA    (FIRST MISSION)
 S/SGT HAROLD F. JANDERUP  WG POW  (FROM LT HENINGTON CREW)    
 S/SGT RICHARD A. TANGRADI  TG POW (FROM original LT AMIERO CREW)

MEMO 2:

KIA / MIA / EVA / INT INFORMATION:

TARGET: DATE: 0000-00-00  
AIRCRAFT: CAUSE:  

BURIAL INFORMATION

PLOT: ROW:  
GRAVE: CEMETERY:  

PHOTOS:

On 7/10/43 Special Orders #21 (Hdq. 3rd Bomber Division) the following crew was 
transferred from the 100th Bomb. Gp To the 482nd Bomb.Gp for Pathfinder training. Crew departed Thorpe Abbotts on 10/10/43 for Alconbury to join the 482 Bomb Group (Pathfinders)

 1st Lt Kenneth I.Menzie   P 
* 2nd Lt Kenneth O. Blair CP
   2nd Lt Vanden J.Willey NAV
* Capt Norris G. Norman  BOM 
  Sgt Jerry (nmi)Korman ( from Lt Amiero Crew)
* T/Sgt James E.Parks  TTE
* Sgt Blazier Paddy  TG
* Sgt Lewis D.Miller  BTG
  Sgt Gordon D.Griffith
* Sgt Britton I.Smith  WG

Crew Photo Capt. Menzie Crew at Alconbury with 482nd BG
Standing L-R 1st Lt Kenneth O. Blair-CP, Capt Kenneth Menzie-P , Capt Norris G. Norman-BOM  
 Kneeling L-R Sgt Jerry Korman-ROG, ?, Britton I. Smith-WG, ?, ?, ?,  

Photo courtesy of Lewis D. Miller

812th Bomb Squadron, 482nd Bomb Group (P) at Alconbury. Photo courtesy of Lewis D. Miller.  

 Lts. Kenneth Menzie (CP), W. C. Abbey (NAV), Lloyd Hammarlund (BOM), & Albert Amiero (P) in Casper, Wyoming. February 1943. (100th Photo Archives) 

 Lt Kenneth Menzi-CP, Lt. D. Strout, Navigator with Norman Scott, Pilot. (100th Photo Archives) 

Three airmen of the 100th Bomb Group, Lieutenants Kenneth Menzie, Donald Strout and Norman Scott, plan the route they will take during the next mission in their B-17 Flying Fortress (serial number 42-30380). Image stamped on reverse: 'Reviewed and passed U.S. Army 23 Aug 1943 Press Censor E.T.O. U.S.A.' [stamp]'. Passed for publication 23 August 1943 INTLD 16 General Section Press Censorship Bureau '[stamp], 'Copyright Associated Press' [stamp] and '280035.' [Photo Bureau No.] Printed caption on reverse: 'Men who made shuttle-bombing raid on Regensburg Associated Press Photo shows, left to right Lt Kenneth I Menzie of Winfield ,Kansas; Lt Donald l Strout,of Boston Mass., and Lt Norman H Scott of Los Angeles,looking over the route which they took when flying.'

 

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