COMMENTS & NOTES
1st Lt Martin T.Hoskinson P KIA 24/5/44
2nd Lt Marvin H.Apking CP KIA " BERLIN 24 MAY 1944; THE 100TH LOST 9 AIRCRAFT
2nd Lt Norman G.Robitoy B KIA " ON THIS MISSION.
S/Sgt Jerome Miller R KIA "
S/Sgt Thomas L.Sibert E KIA "
Sgt Salvadore Romero BT KIA " A/C#42 102635
Sgt George Sneckus RW KIA " MACR #5171, Microfiche #1854
Sgt A.V.Perry LW KIA "
Sgt Marlyn M.Schrader TG KIA "
349th Sqdn. Crew,as above,joined the 100th Group on 9/5/44. Thls was probably their first or second mission. On
24/5/44, Lt.Joseph C.Silvestro,from the crew of E.P.McKeague, was flying as navigator end was KIA. One report indicates
a 1000 lb bomb from a plane in the high squadron fell on this aircraft forward of the horizontal stablizer breaking the
ship in two pieces. The main fuselage immediately went into a tight spin which precluded anyone baling out.
Missing Air Crewman Report:
"24, May 1944 100th BG set out for BERLIN. Col Ollie Turner leading the A Group with Capt Swartout as pilot, Maj Fitzgerald led the B Group with Capt Geary as Pilot. The mission was a mess up from the beginning. The 100th had difficulty forming up and went into enemy territory all strung out. For the Luftwaffe, this was "Meat on the Table". A large group of enemy fighters decimated the low Squadron. Fighters Jumped the formations from behind firing 20mm. Some 200 enemy aircraft were attacking. The 100th gunners claimed 11 destroyed, 2 probable kills and 2 damaged. 9 Crews were lost including Lt Hoskinson. All aircraft were knocked out of the sky at 10:35 hours at 54 17 N by 09 17 E. Due to heavy enemy attack, and cloud conditions, close observation was not possible. 3 chutes were seen but unknown from which aircraft. "
Looking over the mission report, A/C 42-102621 from the high squadron left formation at 10:29hours and jettisoned it's bombs at 54 15 N by 09 15 E which is very close to the time and place it is reported that the Low Squadron (all 349th planes) is hit by enemy fighters and this plane was hit by a falling bomb(supposidly).
Subj: Re: Rothenhaln
Date: 5/4/01 1:15:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (ROBERT WATKINS)
To: email@example.com (Robert L Black)
Dear Mr Black,(T/Sgt Robet Black from the Clarke T. Johnson Crew)
It is nice to here from you again, The Hoskinson plane crashed at ITZSTEDT
which is about 15 miles NNE of HAMBURG. This in turn is about 30 miles South
of ROTENHAHN where I believe your plane crashed. Mike Faley pointed out that
there was a report that a 1000lb bomb had fallen onto the Hoskinson plane
from the high squadron which broke the ship in two forward of the horizontal
stabilizer. The main fuselage then went into a tight spin precluding anyone
from baling out, he however thought this unlikely. I have a copy of a letter
dated 18 nov 1948 which states, " Eye witness accounts reveal that 4 planes,
including that of your son, were hit by enemy aircraft at approx 10.35 am
about 46 miles NW of NEUMUENSTER, GERMANY. Three chutes were seen, however,
because of the poor visibility, it was not known from which plane they
came". It goes on to say, "Official German records report the downing of a
completely destroyed Boeing Fortress on 24 May at 10.40am at ITZSTADT, 10
kilometres west of BAD OLDESLOE". This report listed 10 dead, six by name,
rank and serial number, and four were recorded as unknowns. The deceased
were buried May 27th 1944 ( by the German Army with military honours and a
protestant priest was present) in the South cemetery NEUMUENSTER, in graves
545 thru 547 and 569 thru 575. All of the bodies were badly burned and
identification was not possible, because the ID tags were removed by
unauthorised persons. They were later re-interred either back to the States
or to Neupre in the Ardennes.
I can't see that the plane exploded as all 10 bodies were recovered at
ITZSTEDT. If the plane had broken in two surely the wreckage would have
scattered over a wider area, and the TGs body Sgt Marlyn M Schrader would
not have been with the main body of the aircraft. The plane was more likely
to have been hit very hard by cannon and rocket fire and perhaps the
complete plane spiralled down and on fire until it hit the ground. What do
you think? Whatever it was must have been immediate and catastrophic and it
would explain how nobody managed to get out.
I have sent this information out to GARY MEEK re her Grandfather recent
posting on 100th message board.
I hope that this helps you Robert with your enquiry, you didn't tell me by
the way wether or not you have been back to Thorpe Abbotts since those
Keep well highest regards
PS I know that one of those chutes was yours and the other two were those of
David Scofield and Lawrence Barger.
E-Mail note from Robert Black to Michael P. Faley (May 21, 2001)Subject: Martin Hoskinson crash
It has been reported that this plane, which went down on May 24, 1944, may have been hit by a bomb from an American plane above. It seems this is not true.
I have been in touch with a German researcher who sent me the following:
Please let me give you an overview from this day out of the German eyes: On this May 24, 1944 was from the Germans point of view a big air battle in the region of south Schleswig-Holstein, the northernmost county of Germany with border to Denmark.
The combat boxes of the BG's were flying in lots of cirrus clouds and the sight was extremely bad. So the German fighters made lots of passes and could not see exactly distances to the bombers. They said it was a milky haze from the cirrus and from the smoke of the engines.. In this air battle only in our region were KIA 3 fighter pilots, one of them was the wing commander of I./JG 11 1st. Lt. Konig. Konig was coming from the night fighters with only one eye and on this day due to extreme bad view he crashed into a B-17, obviously on one of the three reported. His wing was seen falling off and his FW 190 spiraled down.
After his death 1st. Lt. Koing was made Captain and got the knights cross. Another two pilots were shot down and wounded. In the air was a mixture of Me 109s and FW 190s.
This battle is called "Die Luftschlacht bei Kaltenkirchen" the air battle at Kaltenkirchen. Kaltenkirchen a/f was a well-known airfield in the region.
From Kaltenkirchen a/f to the crash point of the three B-17Nr. 2102635 Hoskinson at east of ItzstedtNr. 2102648 Roeder at west of Sulfeld andNr. 21026624 Johnson northeast of Rotenhahnare only about 30 km.
2102635 Hoskinson at Itzstedt and 2102648 Roeder at Sulfeld crashed only 200 m away from each other and I think that one of them had the air crash with commander Konig, If you know what position Hoskinson was flying it would be possible to say exactly that this ship had the crash.
The whole formation of I./JG 11 on this day had only 9 or 11 planes! (in another e-mail from our contact he reports another 30 German planes were in the air battle bringing the total to 40 which our U.S. records indicate.)
Should have had 27. The school chronicle says, that the plane with big noise came down out of the clouds and crashed into the earth exploding and burning with a big cloud of smoke. All airmen in the Itzstedt B-17 were dead inside the plane and burned by fire and the 10th lay outside the plane on a field. .
Robert L. Black, survivor of 2102624, crashed at Rotenhahn, had not seen a German fighter crashing into his plane as the survivors of the Roeder crew did not.. So from todays point of view 1st. Lt. Konig must have crashed into 2102635 Hoskinson.
In an earlier book by German fighter Fritz Engau says " This head on attack was one of the strangest and almost ghostly mission of I./JG 11. In more than 6,000 M (about 20,000 feet) the first B-17 appeared shadowy in a milky haze and made their vapor trails in this haze. The following b-17s made more and more vapor trails into haze and condensed the carped. Lt. Konig, who had only one eye made his head on pass obviously to late and crashed by accident into the B-17. Engau was flying second to the right and he saw something like a flash or explosion and thereafter-big pieces in the air. He had as well a B-17 in his Revi and shot some rounds but he got no credit this day. Lt. Hans Heinrich "King" Konig was one of the experienced day fighting commanders with 28 credits-20 4 engine bombers.