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LT  Ernest E. WARSAW

UNIT: 418th BOMB Sqdn POSITION: NAV

The Crew: Kneeling L-R: 2nd Lt. Edwin F. Tobin-BOM, Capt Robert M. Knox-Pilot, 2nd Lt. Ernest E. Warsaw-Nav, 2nd Lt. John O. Whitaker-CP. Standing L-R: S/Sgt Frank W. Tychewicz-BTG, T/Sgt Carl T. Simon-TTE, T/Sgt Walter Paulsen-ROG, Unknown, S/Sgt Malcolm K. Maddran-WG, S/Sgt Joseph F. Laspada-WG, S/Sgt Henry A. Norton-TG, unknown (Courtesy of 100th Bomb Group Foundation via Michel Beckers)

Shot down by enemy fighters (Hauptmann Von Bonin,Oberleutnant Barte and Leutnant Witzke), the aircraft crashed at Herbesthal Lontzen, 500 meters west of Schmalgraf, near Kelmis, west of Aachen, Belgium.

- See more at: http://aircrewremembered.com/knox-robert.html#sthash.INstVvHF.dpuf

Ernest E. Warsaw
Dec.14th 1920 - May 19th 2012. 
Navigator of 
"Picklepuss" B-17 
Picture from 1943
(Photo courtesy of Max Gittelson, grandson)

Lt Ernest Warsaw , Nav on Capt Knox Crew.  Photo courtesy of Jim Potts Daughter Eileen Potts Smith

SERIAL #: O-667461 STATUS: POW
MACR: 00677 CR: 00677

Comments1: 17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG (EAC - EXP)

COMMENTS & NOTES

MEMO 1:

CREW
            CAPT ROBERT M. KNOX

ORIGINAL 418TH CREW #36  A/C #42-30063     "PICKLEPUSS"      MACR #677

CAPT    ROBERT M. KNOX                 P       KIA  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
2ND LT  JOHN O. WHITAKER            CP     KIA  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
2ND LT  ERNEST E. WARSAW        NAV     POW  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
2ND LT  EDWIN F. TOBIN              BOM     POW  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
T/SGT   CARL T. SIMON                 TTE     POW  16 SEP 43 BORDEAUX
S/SGT   MALCOLM K. MADDRAN      WG      SEE NOTE
T/SGT   WALTER PAULSEN            ROG     POW  17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
S/SGT   FRANK W. TYCHEWICZ      BTG      KIA    17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
S/SGT   JOSEPH F. LASPADA          WG      KIA    17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG
S/SGT   HENRY A. NORTON            TG       KIA     17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG

NOTES:
MALCOLM MADDRAN WAS REPLACED ON THE CREW BY SGT ALEXANDER MARKOWSKI WHO WAS KIA ON THE 17 AUG 43 REGENSBURG MISSION. THE TTE POSTION WAS FILLED BY S/SGT G. BARNEY FROM THE LT CURTIS BIDDICK CREW who became a POW.                               

SHOT DOWN BY ENEMY FIGHTERS, THE AIRCRAFT CRASHED AT "HERBESTHAL-LINTZEN-500 METERS WEST OF SCHMALGAF."  THE SIX DEAD WERE INTERRED AT THE CEMETERY OF HONOR, EUPEN IN SECTION 16, GRAVES #218, #219, #220, #221, #222 AND #232.

THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT THAT WAS LINKED TO THE "GEAR DOWN" INCIDENT. SUPPOSELY THE LOWERING OF THE GEAR SIGNALED SURRENDER, BUT WHEN FIGHTERS APPROACHED THE AIRCRAFT TO LEAD IT TO A LANDING THEY WERE FIRE ON.  THUS THE LUFTWAFF SINGLED OUT THE SQUARE D AIRCRAFT AND ATTACKED THEM WITH GREATER INTENSITY THAN OTHER  GROUPS.  THIS NEVER OCCURRED IN REGARD TO "PICKLEPUSS."  MARTIN MIDDLEBROOK HAD TRACED A "WHEELS DOWN" INCIDENT TO ANOTHER GROUP B17 ON THE REGENSBURG MISSION. HE HAS INTERVIEWED THE GERMAN FIGHTER PILOTS WHO SHOT DOWN THE "PICKLEPUSS" AND THEY REFUTE THE GEAR DOWN THEME.  (I do not agree with Middlebrook's assesment that this did not happen to Knox Crew, my research proves the opposite…Michae P. Faley-100th Bomb Group Historian)


MISSIONS OF CAPT. ROBERT KNOX CREW:

#    DATE           Target                      A/C #          A/C Name      Comment
     26/6/1943      LeMans                     230063       "Picklepuss"   abort due to weather
1   28/6/1943      St Nazaire "Flak City"   230063       "Picklepuss"   Sub Pens
2.  04/7/1943      LaPallice                    230063       "Picklepuss"   Harbor
3. 10/7/1943       LeBourget                 230063       "Picklepuss"  Air Field
4. 17/7/1943       Hamburg                   230458        No Name    Aero Engines
5  26/7/1943       Hanover                    230063       "Picklepuss"  Hit Convoy
6. 28/7/1943       OSCHERSLEBEN         230063       "Picklepuss"  A/C Factory
7. 29/7/1943       WARNEMUNDE          230063       "Picklepuss"  A/C Factory
8. 30/7/1943       Kassel                      230063       "Picklepuss    A/C Factory
9. 12/8/1943       Bonn                       230063       "Picklepuss    A/C Factory
10.17/8/1943      Regensburg              230063       "Picklepuss"   Me109 A/C Factory (shot down)


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Capt. Robert M. Knox in the 418 (?) Army Air Corp died on 8/17/43 when his B17 plane crashed in Belgium.  He is buried in the Henri Chapelle Cemetary there - obviously he was flying behind enemy lines as Belgium was not yet liberated.

He was married to Dorothy E. Knox whose address at the time of his death was 2926 Mapleshade Rd. in Ardmore, Pa.  His mother was Helena E. Knox and lived at 650 Loraine Dr., Ardmore, Pa.  Also have info an aunt, Mary A. Elliott, 1321 Spruce St., Philadelphia.

I believe his father was G. Mueller Knox and have information suggesting his mothers maiden name was Ingram, but this is info obtained on the net, not from Belgium.   Also found a Dorothy M. Knox born in 1920 who may be related and a Linda S. Knox born in 1943 on the net, but they live in Fairfield Pa. so I have no idea if they are related, but the birth dates seem appropriate.

The dedication of a memorial honoring Capt. Knox will be held on May 26 at the spot where his plane crashed.  This memorial has been spearheaded by Marcel and Matilde Schmetz who run the "Remember Museum" in Belgium and who have also adopted the care of his grave.  They have asked me to see if Capt. Knox has family as they would love to have them visit and participate in the ceremony.  Can you please help me find them?  Thanks for any info.

It would be awesome to give this family the opportunity to honor him.  Many Belgiums assisted me in my search after my Dad died (he came back & lived a long life) and I would be so gratified to return their kindness.

Thanks

Lorraine Bell
647 Fox Pond Dr.
Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464
843-442-1549

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Hi Mike,
         The ruminations submitted below are not intended to start - or end - an argument.  I feel that I am just contributing to an ongoing 65-year discussion.  All those who know and honor the Bloody 100th will recognize it as such -- and remember that I was less than 2-years-old when the events in question took place!  So, with apologies to Harry Crosby and any other100th Hero I may have misquoted or misunderstood, I submit the following note on the "LEGEND OF THE BLOODY 100TH."  I will leave it up to you and others as to whether it ends up in "Splasher Six" or in a "circular file cabinet!"
                                         Humbly yours,
                                         Bob Venkus
                                         Nephew of SSgt. Frank Tychewicz, BTG, "Picklepuss" piloted by Capt. Robert Knox
                                         TheVenk@aol.com

To the 100th Bomb Group Foundation and especially the unit's surviving B-17 aircrewmen:
 
       I hope this brief note finds all of you in good health and spirits with many more good years still to come.  
       That appears to be the status of 1/Lt. Ernie Warsaw, the sole surviving crewmember of Capt. Robert Knox's B-17F, "Picklepuss.".  I spoke with him via telephone the other day and he is doing just great -- just turned 88.  Ernie and I met in Belgium in 2006 at the "Picklepuss" monument's unveiling (my uncle, SSgt. Frank Tychewicz, was the plane's BTG). He was KIA August 17, 1943.
       I told Ernie that I had made an attempt to research and write an article that I hoped would be definitive with regard to the "Legend of the Bloody 100th" but I had been unable to find any of the three (3) Luftwaffe crewmen mentioned by Martin Middlebrook, author of The Schweinfurt-Regensburg Mission.  I know that one is deceased but the other two have not surfaced despite multiple inquiries to friends and fighter pilots in Germany.  Without access to eyewitness accounts from BOTH sides of the engagement, I think it impossible to write down the "last word" about the controversial legend.
       It seems to me that the legend has two elements, only one of which causes controversy.  I think that almost everyone involved, including Ernie, recognizes the idea that, after Regensburg, somehow the Luftwaffe would skip over other B-17 groups and single out the 100th for attack is silly/ludicrous/impossible -- pick any debunking adjective!  The realities of aerial combat are such that the Germans could not possibly have pursued such a tactic even if they wanted to.
       That leaves only the second element of the legend as a cause for potential controversy.  Did or did not "Picklepuss" have its landing gear lowered and were German fighters engaged by "Picklepuss" gunners when they reached positions that looked like they intended to escort a surrendering aircraft?  Middlebrook (who never interviewed Ernie face-to-face) seems to conclude that the wheels were up and that the Luftwaffe aircraft (ME-110s primarily) made no attempt to escort the bomber; they just attacked it until it went down.  But Ernie, the last living survivor and eyewitness to the event, remains convinced that: a) the wheels were down, and; b) the Luftwaffe fighters appeared to be moving toward escort positions.
      The intent of the German fighter pilots -- escort or shoot down -- cannot be definitively determined without direct contact with them. Could Ernie have misinterpreted their goals?  Certainly!  In any case, it should be noted that Middlebrook does not, in my opinion, prove that the B-17 engaged by the three German pilots he interviewed was, in fact, "Picklepuss."  Capt. Knox's plane was the sixth Regensburg-bound bomber to leave the formation and, at least one of the other five is known to also have crashed near Aachen. 
      So, did the Germans who shot down "Picklepuss" see its wheels extended?  And, if so, did they make "escort"-like moves as they approached?  Or did they merely attack this crippled straggler intent on their kill whether or not its wheels were down?  My admittedly unsatisfactory answer to each of these questions is "maybe, maybe not."  But I can answer one final question with what I believe should be finality: did "Picklepuss" -- intentionally or unintentionally -- have its wheels down prior to being shot down? My answer is "YES" based on the facts related to me by the only man now living who was there on 17 August 1943.
      Within the close knit 100th BGp community there are others who will disagree.  James R. Brown, an original 100th navigator and its first post-war Senior Historian passed away in the early 1990s. He was among those who questioned or reinterpreted Ernie Warsaw's recollections.  I do not know how this apparent difference of opinion came about, but it seems crucial to any continuing controversy as to whether or not "Picklepuss" landing gear was down.  Why? Because: a) 1/Lt. Brown was continuing enroute to Regensburg that day and did not witness the other B-17's final moments, and; b) James Brown is credited by no less an authority than Harry Crosby as being THE primary source for Martin Middlebrook's chapter on the Legend and "Picklepuss."   (see Harry Crosby's Eulogy honoring James R. Brown on the 100th's website.)  In other words, those who maintain that "Picklepuss" wheels were up cite Middlebrook as the source supporting their conclusion but also admit that his pertinent chapter was based largely on their (Brown's) inputs.  That logic seems circular to this interested observer.
     I close this brief note with a muffled chuckle at myself: I seriously doubt that anyone will ever provide "THE LAST WORD" when it comes to "The Legend of the Bloody 100th."  Let the debate continue, knowing that those of us on one side of the friendly discussion have nothing but respect for those who disagree.  We hold them in the highest regard.  They are now and have always been my heroes.  I remain in awe of their courage and patriotism.  I did my best to live up to their lofty standards in combat during my twenty-four years as a USAF fighter pilot.  I hope that I might have made SSgt. Frank Tychewicz prouid to be my Uncle.

PS -- One final note that relates my flying career (4000+ hours primarily in F-105, F-4 and F-111 jet fighters) to Ernie Warsaw's.  I remember many vivid details about individual sorties and combat missions, but none are more clear and detailed in my aging mind than those acquired the day I ended a routine training sortie by ejecting from a fiercely burning F-4G fighter near Edwards AFB, CA.  That happened almost 28 years ago.  It is one reason why I believe in the accuracy of Ernie's longterm memory.



Warsaw, Ernest E Ernest Warsaw passed away peacefully at his home on Saturday, May 19, 2012 surrounded by the love of his life, Elaine, his daughters Tina and Jan and his grandson Max. Ernie was a caring, devoted husband and stellar dad and grandfather. He had an extraordinary life and brought to it determination, wit, humor, and warmth. He was born in Chicago on December 14, 1920 and at the age of 8 his family moved to Palestine where he lived until 1932 when the family returned to Chicago. He graduated from Wright Junior College and attended DePaul University Law School until the onset of WW2. He enlisted in the U.S. Army Air Force as a cadet, graduated as 2nd Lieutenant in October 1942 and joined the 100th Bomb Group. He flew 13 combat missions with the 8th Air Force and was shot down on August 17, 1943. Ernie was a POW in Germany for two years during which time he kept his buddies busy creating plays, building furniture, as well as keeping a journal of his experience. Upon his return to the U.S. he moved to Los Angeles where he graduated with a B.A. degree from UCLA. He began a lifelong career as a furniture manufacturer, first as a sales rep for L.A. Period Furniture Manufacturing then forming his own company, Revere Furniture and Lamp Manufacturing. In 1970 he started Sheffield Furniture Corporation which was his most successful venture lasting 30 years until he retired at age 80. Ernie and Elaine married in 1947 and shared world travel, skiing, golf, theater, arts and music and a wonderful group of friends. His daughters and grandson were the light of his life as he was the life of the party, a terrific story teller, the guy who was always there for a friend, a relative or an employee. Ernie's philosophy of being a good human being meant that participating in and supporting the community was paramount. He was former chairman of the Furniture Division of the United Jewish Fund, former chairman of the Furniture Division for Israel Bonds, Founder of the Los Angeles Music Center, Patron member Los Angeles County Museum of Art, Lifetime member of the Chancellor Associates of UCLA, former chairman of the Advisory Board for the College of Letters and Science at UCLA, Founder of the James West Center UCLA, a Founder of the Jewish Federation Building, Benefactor Wilshire Boulevard Temple, member Brentwood Country Club. He established the Warsaw Fellowship in Microbiology at UCLA and the Joseph L. Warsaw Memorial Scholarship Fund at Technion University in Israel. In addition to his wife Elaine, his is survived by his loving daughters Tina Gittelson, Jan Warsaw, beloved grandson Max Gittelson, son-in-law, Michael Gittelson and sister Harriet Smith. Services will be held on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 at 12 noon at Hillside Memorial Park, 6001 Centinela Avenue, Los Angeles 90045. In lieu of flowers, contributions in Ernie's name can be made to The UCLA Foundation Warsaw Fellows Endowment, contact Siana Gildard 310-206-0666, slgildard@support.ucla.edu, The Joseph L. Warsaw Memorial Scholarship Fund, contact Carmen Soriano 323-857-5575, West LA Chapter of the American Red Cross, contact Hilary Anderson 310-445-2676..

 Published in the Los Angeles Times on May 22, 2012

MEMO 2:

POW notes: Original 100th, Crew #36.

Max Gittelson, your grandfather was a p.o.w. at the Center Compound of Stalag Luft 3. At this compound he participated in the theatre in the play "Charlie's Aunt". Have a photograph of him, together with the other members of the cast! Maybe you like to become a member of my Stalag Luft 3 facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/432891423588634/?ref=group_header

KIA / MIA / EVA / INT INFORMATION:

TARGET: Regensburg DATE: 1943-08-17  
AIRCRAFT: "Picklepuss" (42-30063) CAUSE: EAC-EXP  

BURIAL INFORMATION

PLOT: ROW:  
GRAVE: CEMETERY:  

PHOTOS:

Air Corp Cadet Ernest E. Warsaw-Nav "Picklepuss" B-17, 100th Bomb Goup Circa 1942
(Photo Courtesy of Max Gittelson)

Officers of Lt Knox Crew (Photo Courtesy of Max Gittelson)

Left to Right:
Pilot, Navigator, and Co Pilot "Picklepuss" B-17 
100th Bomb Group 
8th Air Force in 1943
L-R
Pilot: Capt. 
Robert M Knox 
West Philadelphia Pennsylvania (KIA)

Navigator: 2Lt. 
Ernest E Warsaw 
Chicago Illinois (POW)

Co Pilot: 2Lt. 
John O Whitaker 
Wheeling West Virginia (KIA)

A photograph of me and my grandfather LT. Ernie Warsaw Navigator of the Picklepuss. This is the memorial dedicated to crew of the Picklepuss (6 KIA, 4 POW) of the 100th BG which was shot down August 17th 1943 during the Schweinfurt–Regensburg mission. The photo was taken in 2006 at the dedication of the monument in Montzen, Belgium...courtesy of Grandson Max Gittelson

 

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