T/Sgt
Herbert Alwin "Herb" GRAND

Herb Grand
T/Sgt Herb Grand, ROG on Lead Crew of Capt Jim Seamans. That is Herb Grand's Lead Crew patch
Hometown During Time of Service: San Jose, CA
Assigned to the 100th Bombardment Group
Location:
Unit: 418th Bombardment Squadron
Rank:
Position: Radio Operator / Gunner
Beginning Date of 100th Service: Unknown
Time of Service at Thorpe Abbotts: Unknown - Unknown
Additional 100th Service Notes
Status: CPT
Comments: 26 NOV 44 HAMM (PATHFINDER MISSION #35) SEE J.S. SEAMAN MEMO
Biography
Born June 16, 1923
Birthplace: Napa, CA
Died postwar on February 8, 2016
Media Articles
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| Media Item | Type | Page | Volume/Issue | Broadcast Source | Time | Description | File |
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| Herbert Grand obit | San Francisco Chronicle February 21 2016 | 12:00 am |
Comments and Notes
Memo 1:
CREW
"SEAMANS DEMONS"
TARGET WAS HAMM A/C # 44-8148 'SEAMANS DEMONS"
2nd Lt James S.Seamans P CPT 26/11/44 HAMM SN# O-817761
2nd Lt Clyde W.Lollis CP CPT 26/11/44 HAMM
2nd Lt George L.Rhoades NAV CPT 26/11/44 HAMM
2nd Lt William R.Brice BOM CPT 26/11/44 HAMM
S/Sgt Herbert A.Grand ROG CPT 26/11/44 HAMM
S/Sgt Paul A.Ross TTE CPT 26/11/44 HAMM
Sgt Homer Goodman BTG CPT 26/11/44 HAMM
Sgt Anthony T.Schimmel WG RFS 06/08/44 When crew became PFF, Sgt Schimmel was transferred to Ground Crew. Became Crew Chief of "Seamans Demons"
Sgt Edward J.Tatro TG CPT 26/11/44 HAMM
Sgt John J.Sheehan WG WIA 19/07/44 SCHWEINFURT (by flak)
418th Sqdn. Crew,as above,joined the 100th Group on 4/7/44. It appears as Crew #85 on Roster
of 3/8/44 and as a PFF crew on 13/9/44. On 26/11/44 this PFF crew was as follows on a mission
to Hamm. The crew was named "Seamans Demons", with artwork on the back of the jackets, never painted on the Aircraft. Lt Seamans flew 30 Missions, rest of Crew flew 29.
This is on of the 100th's better known lead crews and this was a very trying last mission for them. See Passen and Rhoades Memo Files..
Lt.Col Channing Emberson Command Pilot
Capt James Seamans P
1st Lt Clyde W.Lollis CP/FORMATION OFFICER
Capt George L.Rhoades Lead Navigator
Capt William R.Brice Lead Bombardier
1st Lt Seymour Passen Command Navigator
1st Lt Earl Frye Radar Navigator
T/Sgt Paul A.Ross TTE
T/Sgt Herbert A.Grand ROG
S/Sgt Homer Goodman RWG
S/Sgt Edward J.Tatro LWG
COL S.R. PASSEN (100TH COMMAND NAVIGATOR)
Excerpts: Letter to pw 23 Feb 1993
... First of all I'll explain what my duties were as Command Navigator..
It was the duty of the Com Nav to assemble the aircraft around the Buncher (Radio Beacon) for a starter.. He had the expertise to control the timing, radius of circling, etc. to get the various aircraft and squadrons together so as to complete the assembly of the group.. It involved circling, climb and zig zagging to lose or gain time, in order to get the group to the various bomber stream assembly points at the planned times.. This had to be done precisely so that the proper time intervals firmed up between the various Groups of aircraft.
Once enroute, the Crew Navigator handled the duties of getting the airplane to the target zone. The Command Navigator just followed along and tried to be helpful to the Crew Nav..
Addition to MEMO : (refers to extract from Sqd History...pw)
When we experienced our second fire, we were given the word to Prepare to Bail Out.. By procedure, I was to be the first one out.. As such, I disconnected from the ship's intercom and crouched at the escape hatch waiting for someone to push me out.. After a wait of what seemed to be ten minutes, but wasn't, I got pulled back from the hatch and was told we weren't going...
Correction to MEMO : (refers to extract from Sqd History...pw)
George Rhoades (the regular Crew Navigator) may not have had maps but I did... They included Sectional type charts and a long range chart.. I used the long range chart to give the pilot (James S. Seamans) the heading to the emergency field which I had previously marked on the chart during mission briefing.. As we were heading for the battle line I observed the launch of a V 2 rocket from a clearing in a section of woods.. The sectional charts were so detailed that I was able to pinpoint the exact launch site.. When they started to debrief us at the emergency field, the debriefing Officer left us in a rush when I gave him the info on the V 2 launch site.. I guessed he was getting the information to the P 47 boys !
I had the feeling that the crankshaft was broken on the #2.. At times it must have disconnected and the prop windmilled without vibration.. At other times it really shook up the aircraft.. I had moved to the main cabin and was sitting on the deck with my back against the bulkhead of the radio room and with my feet bracing against the ball turret mount, when the prop flew off on final approach. I went back into the plane when the dust had settled and saw that the prop had come through the nose over the nav table and crushed the "G" box.. I don't think it was salvageable...
All in all it was an experience one doesn't look forward to repeating. I flew thousands of hours afterwards and had a few
close calls but nothing quite as excitinq as that mission..
When we finished debriefing, Emberson (EMBERSON ,C.B. LT COL), Frye (FRYE, E.L. LT), and I decided to catch a ride to Brussels and see the sights...We managed to get back to the emergency field in time to get our ride back to the 100th..
"Pilot Capt. James Seaman flew 30 Missions (first one as observer) and rest of crew flew 29 Missions starting with Kiel on July 18, 1944. Sgt. Tony Schimmel was replaced at waist position by Sgt Homer Goodman (BTG) when this became a lead crew in September 1944. Sgt John Sheehan (WG) was wounded by flak on the second mission and replaced by "fill in" gunners until we became a lead crew. Lt Earl Frye was added as a permanent member when we became a lead crew. " (from Herb Grand mpf 2001)
OPERATIONAL SORTIES OF "SEAMANS DEMONS" (by Capt. James Seamans mpf 2001)
Capt Seamans completed 30 Missions, Rest of Crew flew 29 Missions
1. AUXERRE, FR 17 JUL 44 (Flew first mission as Co-Pilot Observer)
2. KIEL/HEMMINGSTADT, GER 18 JUL 44 (First Mission with SEAMANS DEMONS)
3. SCHWEINFURT, GER 19 JUL 44 WG Sgt Sheehan wounded by flak
4. MERSEBURG, GER 20 JUL 44
5. LUDWIGSHAVEN, GER 21 JUL 44
6. NORTHERN FRANCE/ST LO 24 JUL 44
7. MERSEBURG, GER 29 JUL 44
8. TROYES, FR 03 AUG 44
9. HAMBURG, GER 04 AUG 44
10. MAGDEBURG, GER 05 AUG 44
11. BREST 03 SEP 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: LT. COL. PRICE
12. STUTTGART 05 SEP 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. SAMMY BARR
13. MAINZ 08 SEP 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. SAMMY BARR
14. SINDELFINGEN 13 SEP 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: CAPT. GORSKI
15. WARSAW 18 SEP 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. EMBERSON
16. SZOLNOK 19 SEP 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. EMBERSON
17. LUDWIGSHAVEN 25 SEP 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. WALLACE
18. BREMEN 26 SEP 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. SAMMY BARR
19. MAINZ 27 SEP 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. THOMPSON
20. BIELEFELD 30 SEP 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. ZELLER
21. KASSEL 02 OCT 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: LT. COL. PRICE
22. BERLIN 06 OCT 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. THOMPSON
23. BOHLEN 07 OCT 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. WALLACE
24. BREMEN 12 OCT 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. SAMMY BARR
25. COLOGNE 17 OCT 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. THOMPSON
26. KASSEL 18 OCT 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. SAMMY BARR
27. NEUMUNSTER 6 NOV 44 LEAD
28. LANGERWEHE/AACHEN 16 NOV 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. SAMMY BARR
29. OSNABRUCK 21 NOV 44 LEAD
30. HAMM 26 NOV 44 LEAD COMMAND PILOT: MAJ. EMBERSON
1944 MISSION OF SGT ANTHONY T. SCHIMMEL (mpf 2002)
1. KIEL/HEMMINGSTADT 18 JUL 44 Light flak, 10 500 lb bombs, no fighters, oil refinery, B-24 exploded behind us. No chutes, still over water
2. SCHWEINFURT 19 JUL 44 Rough, heavy flak, 31 holes, no enemy fighters, good escort, John Sheehan hit in left foot. " Our Babe" #154, No. 3 engine feathered, radio shot up. Flak thick enough to walk on, large piece of flak stuck in
windshield right in front of co-pilot. Flat tire on landing and did a big loop on the grass without touching a wing to the ground.
3. MERSEBURG 20 JUL 44 Heavy flak, 20 250 lb bombs, no enemy fighters, good escort. "Super Rabbit" #598. No 3 engine hit. Flak stuck in cowling and box cover. Engine ok, Oil plant.
4. LUDWIGSHAVEN 21 JUL 44 "ROYAL FLUSH" B-17F on 71st mission, lost on 75th mission. Plane #0782. Rough, heavy overcast, went nto two clouds. 10 300 lb bombs, incendiaries, No. 2 engine failed. Good escort, light flak, no enemy fighters.
5. ST LO 24 JUL 44 St Lo, B-17G "It Ain't Easy" 38 100 lb demolition bombs, one B-24 in flames, on chute ok, one chute burning, no other chutes. No escort, Enemy troops 7 miles west of St Lo. Brought bombs back.
6. MERSEBURG 29 JUL 44 Just got to Germany, No 4 engine freathered, oil leak, dropped 20 250 lb bombs safe in Channel. heavy undercast.
7. TROYES 3 AUG 44 Railroad yards, 20 250 lb bombs. B-17G #071, call sign P, "Andy's Dandy's". Good escort, good formation, 2 runs on target, no enemy fighters, 8 flak burst at 9:00 o'clock.
8. HAMBURG 4 AUG 44 B-17G "Lay or Bust" #230, call sign Q. 20 250 lb demolition bombs, 8 tenths clouds, Oil refinery, poor formation, good escort, one B-17 ditched, one burned and blew up, 5 chutes. Saw flak at 3:00 o'clock and 9:00 o'clock. One dogfight, P-51 took after a FW190. No 1 engine smoked on plane behind us,one other prop feathered.
9. MAGDEBURG 5 AUG 44 B-17G "Lay or Bust" #230, call sign Q. 10 500 lb demolition bombs. 2 tenths clouds, P-38 and P-51 good escort. One B-17 blew up, 5 chutes, flak at 9:00 o'clock. Rough weather coming back, Good formation.
Comments from Sgt Schimmel (in Pine Bluff News July 1, 1993)
"The pilot went to PFF and I was put to the ground crew. After a few weeks of learning the ropes , I became crew chief of the same crew I had flown on. Capt. Seamans said he was sure his plane would be in A-Onew shape with me checking it. Two more crews went through my hard stand. First plane went down in Holland amid the tulips. No injuries, all men home (Seamans Crew). Second Crew made 35 trips over Germany and all went home. Third Crew made a few combat trips, then at wars end I helped shuttle men to Casablanca, pick up some oil at Oran, then back to England (went as engineer on these trips). Participated in one food drop to Holland in May 1945 then was flight chief for six B-17G's to keep them ready with daily start-ups and check-ups." One moring all six were gone, ATC flew them off, turned in my tool kit and waited for the USS Enterprise to take me west. CV-6 was full of brass bands as we boarded the most decorated carrier in the US fleet. The Galloping Ghost newspaper I helped mimeograph, earned me an associate membership. So I was Army Air Corps, AND Navy at the same time. Also, I was air crew man, ground crew chief."
'One morning on take off as we left the runway, we felt a shudder. We checked and the tail wheel lock pin was sheared off. Before landing, I crammed a plier handle into the lock pin hole. On removing it, found the handle was almost sheared in two. On runway running up engines for a mission, I noticed a white stream behind number 1. Pilot slowed 1 and 2 engines and with my stubby screwdriver, I opened the gas hatch and saw the cap hanging off the tank. Turned it on tight, relocked the flap, turned loose and slid off the wing and away we went."
Medals received by Jim Seamans:
MJSEAMANS: DFC with oak leaf cluster and air medal with 5 oak leaf clusters
MPFaley: REALLY. what was OLC to the DFC for. The DFC would have been for completion of your missions, what about the other one
MPFaley: Should also have teh ETO ribbon with 2-3 battle stars
MJSEAMANS: For getting the crew back in one piece after that mission. I do
MPFaley: Very nice, you deserved it for that mission. Hell of a Job
MJSEAMANS: thank you
Memo 2:
Herbert A Grand – 418th Squadron – February 8, 2016
Herb was the Radio Operator/Gunner on the Jim Seamans crew. Seamans Demons served as a Lead Crew and on one mission led the whole 3rd Air Division. Herb shipped out of New York to England on his 21st birthday. Herb was assigned to the 100th on July 4, 1944 and completed 29 missions. His first mission was on July 18, 1944 over Kiel and Hemmingstedt. The 29th mission over Hamm on November 26, 1944 turned out to be Herb’s last mission. The plane was hit by enemy gunfire; however, the crew was able to make it back across enemy lines and landed safely in friendly territory. Herb dearly loved getting together with his crew and the rest of the gang at the 100th BG reunions. He also attended the mini-reunions in Palm Springs for several years. For Herb, the 100th was all about the relationships he had formed during the war and afterward....BONNIE GRAND (Wife)
Obituary for Herbert (Herb) A. Grand
June 16, 1923 - February 8, 2016
San Mateo, California | Age 92
Obituary
A resident of San Mateo for over 50 years passed away peacefully February 8, 2016 at home with his wife and daughter by his side. He was 92. Herb was a native Californian born in Napa, CA to Emile and Helen Grand on June 16, 1923, and grew up in the San Franciso/San Jose area.
When WWII began he enlisted and served in the Army Air Corp from 1942 to 1945. He shipped out of New York on his 21st birthday. Herb was assigned to the 100th Bomb Group as a radio operator. He flew out of England on a lead crew of a B-17, completing 29 missions. On his 29th mission the plane was hit, but the crew managed to make it back over enemy lines to land in friendly territory.
After the war Herb attended San Jose State and received a BA in Business. In college he met and married Jacqueline George; they had two children together, Douglas and Lucille. After 32 years of marriage Jackie passed away in 1979.
Herb worked over 40 years for the State Compensation Insurance Fund serving in various capacities including the head of Southern California claims out of Los Angeles and Investment Officer out of San Francisco. Herb met his second wife Bonita Punt at work in San Francisco; they were also married for 32 years.
Herb loved to travel; he visited every state in the USA. After retirement, he traveled worldwide with Bonita; they visited every country in Europe plus countries in Asia, North America, South America, and Africa.
He was also active in the 100th Bomb Group Foundation, attending reunions every other year to get together with members of his crew and other veterans. There are still three members alive from his original crew of ten.
Herb is survived by his loving wife Bonita; daughter Lucille; grandchildren Christopher, Jennifer, Courtney, Jacquelyn and Virginia; eight great-grandchildren; and his faithful dog Sammy.
Herb was preceded in death by his first wife Jacqueline; his brother Robert; and his son Douglas.
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Herb Grand
Herb Grand, ROG on Jim Seaman's Lead Crew "Seaman's Demons"
Crew List
1st Crew List
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| Rank | Name | Pos | Status |
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| LT COL | EMBERSON, Channing B. | COM P | CPT |
| Capt | FRYE, Earl L. | RAD | CPT |
| Lt | SEAMANS, James S. | P | CPT |
| LT | LOLLIS, Clyde W. | CP | CPT |
| Capt | RHOADES, George L. | NAV | CPT |
| Capt | BRICE, William R. | BOM | CPT |
| S/Sgt | ROSS, Paul A. | TTE | CPT |
| T/Sgt | GRAND, Herbert | ROG | CPT |
| T/SGT | GOODMAN, Homer | BTG | CPT |
| SGT | SCHIMMEL, Anthony T. | WG | NOC |
| S/SGT | SHEEHAN, John J. | WG | WIA |
| S/Sgt | TATRO, Edward | TG | CPT |




